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CGMA: your chance to ask questions

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At the end of this month, the AICPA and CIMA, two of the world’s largest accounting bodies, will launch a joint venture to elevate the profession of management accounting by establishing a new global credential, the Chartered Global Management Accountant (CGMA).


Charles Tilley, chief executive of CIMA, and Barry Melancon, president and CEO of the AICPA, will be answering members' question about the new credential in the March edition of FM.


Submit your question now below and look for the article in the March issue of FM.
UPDATE: Please submit your questions by 4pmGMT, January 20 

eligibility and benifits?

hi!

i am a strategic level student and need to know what will be the eligibiity criteria for CGMA , please note that i got 3 exemptions in certifiacte level am i still eligilble?
and the other thing which buggs me is what will b the benifits of putting CGMA after my name or it only requires subscription from us?
regards 

ACMA's who want to become CPA (USA)

I want to know of any benefit of CGMA for those CIMA members who wish to become CPA (USA). I would refer to the example of some selected institutes like CICA (Canada), CA (Australia) etc. whose members are eligible to qualify as US CPAs by writing only one special IQEX exam of AICPA instead of regular four exams. Currently CIMA members are not even eligible to automatically qualify for regular exam sitting for CPA (four exams).

As a result of this new joint venture, CPA members with minimal efforts (three years experience in MA) would be entitled to use CGMA designation which is supposed to be a full fledged management accountancy qualification. On the other hand, though CIMA members will be entitled to use CGMA designation without any further effort, it is just another management accounting designation which in substance is similar to the designation they already have as ACMAs. So, it is a call of fairness that, as a result of this joint venture, CIMA members who want to or need to become CPAs are given some advantage by recognizing their professional qualification. Such an advantage can be in the shape of a direct eligibility to write CPA exams or special route towards achieveing CPA designation. (Though this would require a committment from AICPA to pursue the state boards of Accountancy in US jurisdiction).

So to put it straight, is there any chance that such an arrnagement would be in place some time in future for the beneift of those CIMA members who wish to join CPA?


 

Adopting the CGMA letters

Hi,

Please can someone confirm if I am automatically able to use the CGMA letters after my name to improve my International profile?  Could you also let me know if there are any additional requirements such as an annual subsciption fee or CPD to continue to use the CGMA letters?

 

thanks,

www.cgma.com

Hi James,

The CGMA title comes automatically for ACMAs after January 2012 and there is no need to pay additinal fees or earn CPDs, as long as you meet the requirements of CIMA membership. You can find the relevant details at www.cgma.com. We don't have to disturb the CEOs of CIMA or AICPA for this.

 

regards,

 

Aqeel. 

Market awareness of "CGMA"

I have very grave doubts about the 'jointness' of this whole supposed Joint Venture, given that AICPA and CIMA have fundamentally different approaches even to basics such as AICPA demanding a first-degree for CPA candidates while CIMA maintains the UK approach of testing competence and application primarily at the end of training - start as you like, just make sure you finish in the right place.

But I'll limit myself to one issue.

Exactly how will employers across the world, in every city and town, be told about the value of the new CGMA designation? Why should they accept it? How will they know what it means, and therefore that they should choose CGMA even over CPA?

And if that does happen, how will that *not* reduce the value of ACMA and FCMA?

I'd really like to read of Charles and Barry providing a genune answer to that. 

"Global" - designation

Why is it called "Global" when it actually covers mainly, two English speaking, Anglosaxon countries?

Is it not a bit misleading for a designation?

Thanks

Regards

Why a new designation and not an MRA


Why would anyone use this designation in the UK, it's irrelevant for the majority of members.   Surely a CPA wishing further recognition in the UK/Asia (if even needed) would prefer to attain ACMA/FCMA than a new bunch of letters that no one has heard of and will require substantial brand building investment £/$.   Conversely an ACMA/FCMA would rather attain membership of the American CPA Association. To deny this fact is not living in the real world.   The American CPA had an MRA with various bodies including the Australian CPA's subject to a few additional localised papers being passed. Surely this would have been a better strategy to pursue as quite frankly I'm sure I and most members will see this as a complete waste of money.   Finally in the interest of transparency, can you advise how much CIMA will spend on this initiative per annum over say the net five years?   

CIMA logo

Not too sure if members have noticed this: the CIMA logo has undergone a subtle change - the letters are in white now against a pink background. But CGMA website still uses the old logo!! 

What do we do with CGMA letters?

B wrote:

Why would anyone use this designation in the UK, it's irrelevant for the majority of members.

CGMA venture can only be useful to us members in the following situations:

1. AICPA offer a reciprocal recognition to CIMA members (next to impossible because in exchange AICPA can't get audit rights in the UK through CIMA route).

2. AICPA recognise CIMA qualification as an eligible qualification to pursue CPA studies (difficult because there are 54 state boards in the US each having its own rules)

3. AICPA offer exemptions from its examinations to CIMA members (even if this is allowed still eligibilty to take cpa examination will make it non-starter)

So at the moment CGMA are just four letters of the English language!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is there any value added to my ACMA?

Can CIMA please clarify the value that has been added to ACMA designation by the introduction of CGMA designation?

Am I wrong in asking if CIMA is treating ACMA designation as a product whose market has reached maturity stage and hence a new strategy of Market Development is being adopted. Isn't it kinda selling same product with different names to the same customers.

What will I do with two designations ACMA, CGMA when both literally means the same for a CIMA member?

My knowledge says that this JV("CGMA") is more(if not only) likely to benefit AICPA people who will get benefits of the both world!! AICPA+CGMA!! (Two different things with one shot of CPA) While I will only be having ACMA+CGMA (Management+Management??!!)

Also I personally feel that the CIMA subscription that I have been paying and will be paying is going to be used for the well being of AICPA people as CIMA funds will be diverted towards promotion of CGMA. Did CIMA do any stakeholder analysis before this JV? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Is there any one practical reason why this CGMA was required for an ACMA qualified? Is CGMA an acceptance that ACMA wasn't good enough to be a global management accounting designation? No I do not agree to that!! CGMA will take hell lot of investment and management time to be even close enough to the reputation that ACMA/CIMA currently has. Wasn't it possible to have a JV with AICPA and also just have ACMA as the only designation that CIMA is interested in? I think it is a general rule that the more products you come up with, down goes the brand loyality. For example Apple and Samsung mobiles. Not really trying to teach marketing here but I think the same principle applies in terms of designations/qualifications.

Now if I ask CIMA to tell me the difference between ACMA and CGMA what is going to be their reply? If there is a difference between both of these, then how can you get CGMA as soon as you become an ACMA? You gotta be do something different to get two different designations. Or is it just an extension of existing ACMA designation? It will definitely cover more space on someone's business card. £20 to send a CGMA certificate?? Quite high Admin cost I am afraid.

Also I think that introduction of CGMA will be self destructive for CIMA. More international students will now go for CPA instead of CIMA after their university as they will be only required to do 14 hours of examinations + 1 year Accounting experience + 3 Management accounting experience to be a CGMA which is equivalent to CIMA if I am not wrong. So basically AICPA pathway will give you CPA+CGMA. CIMA takes 30 hours of examinations!! + 3 years Management Accounting experience. And when you finish that you get two designations meaning exactly the same?

Thanks.

What's the point?

I see no value in adding some more letters after name, when I haven't done anything to earn those letters. Surely, if the designation is given automatically, I am no more valuable to an employer?

 I wonder how much this whole exercise has cost, as I see no benefit to CIMA members. 

Interesting post on LinkedIn


   There is an interesting post on LinkedIn in the "CIMA Members (ACMA / FCMA)" group by CIMA past president Aubrey Joachim about the CGMA. He seemed to get very defensive when a few CIMA members were critical of the rationale for signing upto this JV. I think few members will see real merit in this JV. I suspect there is an ulterior motive afoot here either which will probably benefit members of CIMA's Exec more than its members.     

Thank you for your questions!

Hi all, thank you for your questions. Watch out for the March edition of FM!

Best regards,
Adrian.

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Adrian Clifton – MA (Lon); BA (Hons) (Exon)
CIMA moderator and online magazine editor
Improving CIMA's website group