How much marks ur expecting? and what is your WACC
Gutted, just couldn't get my head round what to do for most of the questions. Only answered about a third of the paper then left exam.
I didn't revise for it in May and got 41, but that was a much easier paper in my opinion. Just didn't revise enough for this. No point crying over it, sh*t happens.
How much marks ur expecting? and what is your WACC
Better not talk abt it if exams are still in progress..!
How are you guys managing to talk about an exam that is being sat as you write?
Surely that's not allowed??
I'm in South-Africa and finished my exam 2 hours ago. Cima doesn't negate time differences. Agrreed that it should not be allowed!!! Imagine you have a friend in Aus?
Write all exams the same time I say, or at least late afternoon in Aus and early morning US.
Exam: It killed me!
I didn't have a clue what you were supposed to do with any of this exam! I find F3 so difficult. I wish CIMA would allow you to choose how many Strat's we want to sit, rather than forcing us to do all 3.
I didn't revise for F3 because I wanted to concentrate on the other 2, so I was 100% positive I would fail. That was my choice only concentrating on 2 of them, but would be nice if we had the choice.
Felt like I have wasted a morning going all the way to the exam hall, just to walk out early.
i got 8%? But my redeemable percentage was very small like 3% which didn't feel right to me, but I dunno!
What about NPV, think got around 140m ish - Not that confident on that being right, did some weird calculation to get a discount rate of 16% for the Aus one..
Got 8% as well, with Kd 3.14% - I thought it seemed right as market value was higher than par and bond was only 6%. Ke 10.5 % and Kpref around 5%.
NPV got circa 140m and 16% for $A discount rate. Fingers crossed we're correct Marcus :)
WACC was 4.75% !!! and well the calculation from Discounted cash flow GBP was 16%.
What do you think how 18 marks was distributed, really appreciate any ones' help.
Lets hope so Marta.
Thought the NPV's had to come to same value, just had to use different discount rate and currency cash flows.
Im fairly sure cost of equity was 10.5 so to get it down to around 5/6 surely the weightings would have to be insane. What about the free cash flows 2.7m? Then just do the 0.7m savings to perpetuitiy then add it on...?
Did yo have higher P/E values than DCF ones, that also didn't seem right to me from previous papers, but didn't have enough time to start doing it again etc and thinking about it...found it really time pressured!
Lets hope so Marta.
Thought the NPV's had to come to same value, just had to use different discount rate and currency cash flows.
Im fairly sure cost of equity was 10.5 so to get it down to around 5/6 surely the weightings would have to be insane. What about the free cash flows 2.7m? Then just do the 0.7m savings to perpetuitiy then add it on...?
Did yo have higher P/E values than DCF ones, that also didn't seem right to me from previous papers, but didn't have enough time to start doing it again etc and thinking about it...found it really time pressured!
Marcus how much you are expecting?
Don't recall 2.7m, I used 4m earnings and add back deprn 0.5m, and discounted 4.5m/8%-2% giving 75m without synergies, then add 0.7m savings/0.08 = 8.75m on the top of 75m with synergies.i have not done anything with inreased WC requirements of I think 1.8m as i realised I didnt include it after Ive done all the calculations.
P/e valuation 4mx13 has come the same as asset basis 52m as per book value? Would make sense as FR was not profitable? But not sure if i got it right.
Overall I recommended start bid at 80m going down to min 65m I think ... anyway we'll get marks for each small correct step in approach even if figures are wrong, hopefully that will do to pass!
Hoping or expecting... really don't know, but be happy with 50 or above, really would, ran out of time for the last question so it was a total mess and rushed the last part so need atleast some of my calculations to help me...even missed the fact it was a supposed to be written in report style so luckily had a few spare lines before q1 to put in the usual stuff, so much info to take in, really had to know your stuff to stand any chance in there but atleast it was all relevant material unlike P3 yday, if I fail this one then can't really complain unlike the P3 one!
So did peopl get P/E valuations around 60m and DCf around 57m after synergy, I assume then they added on the 25 ontop of that...was a bit much all that tbh for 18 marks
Oh right I took the WC off the 4.5 to get 2.7..then 2.7x1.02/0.08-0.02 but didnt come out near the 75m unless you added on the 25 mill for the intra-group stuff.
Yeah I think my p/e was around 57 then up to 61 ish, used a P/E of about 12.25 before but think i did 4.7 x 13 after with the synergy saving of 0.7m.
My answer to q2 was pretty disgusting tbh thinking about it! Be outrageous if you nailed some of the calculations and still failed due to a poor question!
Ha yeah, they always have something thrown in there for the geeks to get their awards! Im not sure, I guess they always need wroking capital each year, just remember doing a question where you had to subract it to get to the free cash flows aswell as adding back dep'n, I assume they mentioned it for a reason...
Really hope I don't have to retake this as was pretty well prepared and to get back to that level in few months will be really annoying..atleast we both got similar WACC's and NPV's so hopefully got a few marks there anyway to start on!
i did not enjoy this exam a single bit. my time in the exam room was more of torture than assessment an exam is meant to be.
P3 was so practical and required a lot of common sense answers and i think that was much better a paper than this F3
Why CIMA why? i had put in more than average study time, but i feel i might perform worse than May 2011 coz then i got 43%, now i expect hmmmmmmmm maybe i dont know but a pass will surely be celebrated hugely
First time of sitting all three and wow its a lottery! P3 & E3 barely touched on what i had studied for those papers and this comes along and expects you to be a superstar to even get 50 marks, needless to say Failed!!
A few things, Q1
WACC 9% (Kd 5%, Ke 10.5%, kpref 16.8%???)
Think i messed up on kpref used 1.35 as P0, thought Kd seemed ok but after hearing people get 3 but dubious
Deducted 1.8 in T0, came in at about 76 & 82 sterling without and with syn. Im sure i read if using WACC then need to use profit before int and tax for CFs, so profits were something like 6.2 growing 2%pa. Deducted 25m off final val also.
Used bootstrapping with and without syn for other vals got 54 & 46 i think, struggled to talk about it all!!
Q2 Think as rights issue thought bout 10 easy mark, dam 0.50 shares messed me up!!! but got a 1 for 4 and 1 for 5 with sp of 6 & 5.8. Think i obviously went wrong somewhere!!
Again struggled to talk!
The NPV!!!!!! Should have been easy!!!! I didnt unclude the value of assets at the end, i thought this would form an option to abandon that i discussed in later point, so ended up with major negative npvs
Applied IRP to get the A$ DF but got 17% I think??? Didnt apply IRP to first NPV as it was making loss even worse!!!
Again struggled to talk!!!
About my strongest area was the three things to do with FR income, i chose
- Establish paper manufacturing in N (hedging, economic etc)
- Pay off 83m loan as gearing max at 40% (But SHs want growth positive)
- Buy back shares (chose his one as inv might take return, control, better corp gov etc)
All in all a 35 marker if ive ever seen one! What makes it worse is i dont have a clue how other two exams went,
Oh the joy of time pressure.
I somehow missed (in Q1) the fact that the level of gearing of PP was similar to that of FR so it was a straightforward WACC calcluation for the DF for cash flow valuation.
I ungreared PP's beta and regeared with M PLC's gearing which was a numptey thing to do, nonetheless I followed through with the valuations and hope to gain follow through marks.
Q2, assessing TTT's objectives before and after an acquisition to see if they had been met, there were calculations involved for 11 marks, hope to have scored some of them, did some discussion on each objective before and after.
Q3, I looked at it and knew the first two parts were straightforward, TERP, but wasn't sure about the rest and didn't want to throw marks away and so went with Q2 instead.
Q4, very nice, fairly straightforward NPV, both methods with discussion, i'm hoping to have scored more than half marks on this one.
Good luck to you all.
I read that the working capital of 1.8m needed to grow by 10% each year so I had incremental increases in y1 and y2 and then released it all in yr3.
Did I read this wrng as noone else seems to have done it!
Thanks
Q1. WACC took most of the time. It was around 8.6%, if I recall correctly. WC requirement of 1.8 M was the trcik (might miss a few marks but hopefully would be able to secure most of them). Didn't read it was going to increase by 10% so took the net cash value and then used 2% g to calculated the NPV of perpetuity. Did separate calculation for synergy and added it to NPV. Got the NPV around 50M, with P/E around 60+ and market value of assets was even lesser. Advised 50 to 60 was good and anything above would be a bonus. However, if there are other factors e.g. attraction for PPP to acquire FR and use its expertise to make is a real profitable company, then with its infrastructure, it might be a good attraction for them and they may be ready to pay premium.
On the competition actions, risk of adverse effect on market value of FR and PPP, reputational risk, restricted access to finance for the period of pending invesitigation, adverse conclusion restricting the acquisition, monetary penalties which can be material etc.
On question two couldnt' do much calculations, however, tried to workout projected financial statements both for debt and equity finance of the project to show that gearing of 40% was ok no matter whether it was financed through debt or equity. Also advised to create some congrunece between objectives of dividend payout increase each year vis-a-vis horizontoal integration and organic growth, as there was obvious conflict. Growing dividend payouts each year and huge expansion should't go side by side because the best source of finance is retained earning, most easily available and without issuing costs. Was more related to E3, I guess, but I was fine with it.
And assistance from Treasury function could include their expertise on money market, capital market investments for availability of funds. Their knowlege of capital and money markets etc. (dont' remember if it was in Q1 or 2? probably 2)
And that was all. Time ended and I couldn't attempt the last one, though with extra half an hour, would have secured some very important 10-15 marks.
P.S. Paul, I am a bit confused on right issue involved in Q2, as you have referred to in your post. Can't recall it in Q2. If I missed on it, I sure am going to have a resit and if its a typo relating it to Q2, then I stand a 30% chance of getting through.
I read that the working capital of 1.8m needed to grow by 10% each year so I had incremental increases in y1 and y2 and then released it all in yr3.
Did I read this wrng as noone else seems to have done it!
Thanks
Yeah the working capital 10% one was NPV not question 1, atleast I don't think it was in question one also :s
Think for the NPV one it was 150m invcrease by 10% so 15 T1 16.5 T2 then release 181.5 at the end...i think...so much involved in that exam actually, extra 30 mins and could have answered the questions in a civilised manner