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Petition of Re-sit Exams Outside UK

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Hey all,

 

Another exam sitting is over and many of us are unhappy with our performance. I read all your recent posts and I can see the majority of students complaning about the time given to answer all questions. In fact, most of the students find it hard to finish all questions (properly) in writing. This is reasonable as most of us have not written on paper for years since our school times. Moreover, most of us work in a computerised environment, where all documentation is prepared/typed on PCs. As such, the re-sit option, available on PCs only, would be more appropriate mode to increase speed and manage completion of papers on time.

 

To date, CIMA offers this option mostly in the UK and some other countries on a selective basis. In my case (and in the case of many others) it would be difficult to travel to the UK to re-sit the exam. This would also be costly. I prepared a budget for the expenses to be occured, and I should pay around EUR 1,000 to travel, stay, re-sit the exam, and return back to my country. 

 

At the same time, it is disappointing to see that CIMA treats its students unfairly. Yes, to my opinion, it is unfair to offer the re-sit option in a way that it is easier for some to follow while more difficult for others (and more costly..). I remind CIMA that we are 'customers' of the Institute and as we learnt from E3, customers are key stakeholders of the strategy process.

 

I call everyone reading my post and having the same views on this issue to write and share their opinions. It would be great if we make, altogether, an official request to CIMA asking them to revise their re-sit exams approach. 

 

I am looking forward to your posts.

 

Best regards,

Chrysostomou Neophytos

 

 

March and September Re-sits

I trully agree, with the post above. CIMA is a global institution hence should also globalise all its initiatives as oppossed to selectivity.I would love to hear reasons behind selective sitting of March and September  exams.

 

Regards

Givemore 

Ideas is good but lets be fair.

A few days back, somewhere in these threads I floated the idea for computerized resits outside of UK. Though the idea is great for students but we need to be considerate while demanding such facilities in our respective coutries. There must be a lot of factors involved in reaching decision to provide computer based exams. These factors might include scale, availability of infrastructure, costs, controls etc. but I think with focused efforts this is quite achievable. With many of CIMA students being working professionals who haven't been into writing exams for last many years, it must be given due consideration. I would be ready to pay a premium for availing the facility and I am sure many other would be ready too. This would considerably increase exam performances worldwide, in my view.

Given so many factors involved, let us be fair and not judge CIMA for discrimination. But over time this an area that need to be paid attention to, given CIMA aspirations for becomign a truely global organization. How many of today's business use hand written communications in their day to day activities? Would be in a fraction of a percentage worldwide. It would surely be a very good idea to introduce computer based exams as this will be consistent with the actual work environment the student would have after they are employed. 

Re-sit Exams Outside UK

I 100% agree with above post and urge CIMA to come with a tight schedule of when it will role out the resit on PC to all countries. It is unfair for a global qualification not to treat its students uniformly.

CIMA needs to respond with a timeline.

Fellow student members, please expresss your opinions here.

Rakesh

Re-sit Exams Outside UK

Hi again,

I would like to thank you all for sharing your views on this topic and I am happy to read that all of you have the same concerns as me.

Givemore, I think that the reasons for not widely offering the exams outside the UK are given by Aqeel. Lack of IT facilities, low demand, limited number of tuition providers to organise the exam etc. Fair enough.. this is reasonable! The problem, though, lies in that the re-sit exams are organised by accredited CIMA tuition providers (Kaplan, BPP, LSBF etc), the majority of which are located in the UK.

To my opinion, the above CIMA's policy is wrong. I suggest the below:

1) Computerised re-sit exams to be assigned by CIMA to external computer-based exam providers*. I am not quite sure if British Councils are currently offering computer-based exams, but I do know very well that various outsourced computer-based exam providers exist almost in every country.

* CPA USA exams are offered by prometric.com in this way all over the world.

2) The cost for this arrangment might be too high for CIMA. That is no problem: you just charge the student, either directly or through the exam provider, with an additional charge for those exams. Personally, I prefer to pay a high fee for these exams rather than paying for my tickets, my accomodation, local transportation and my study leave! 

3) If the above are impossible, at least, offer the exams in a geographically fairer way. For example, exams could be offered in Lebanon, a country that is easily and quikly accessible by plane by students around (Cyprus, Syria, Israel, Egypt etc). Similarly, re-sit exams in Serbia could attract students from Motenegro, Bulgaria, Turkey, Greece and other Balkans' countries.

Everyone getting involved in this post, let me know on possible next steps to forward our request to CIMA in a more official manner. 

Again, thank you for your comments!

 

Neo

It's only fair...

Yes, CIMA is a global institution. If resits are available in the UK, then they should be available in every country CIMA students currently write their exams. British councils all over the world can be used for this purpose. 

 

If it's a question of money, simply charge the students. I'm certain there will still be significant savings made. The cost of procuring visas and traveling to the UK alone to write exams is astronomical. (Air fare is in excess of $1200 yes, there are students in Asia and Africa) Some students are self sponsored. We do not want to break the bank in order to finance CIMA.

 

CIMA should look into this and come up with a viable solution. After all, we are the customers. What is good for the goose is equally ok for the gander. 

 

CIMA's response

Dear all

CIMA is continually reviewing its provision of exams for the benefit of all of our stakeholders, and has recently introduced the resit exams in March and September, intially on a limited pilot basis to ensure that these can be operated effectively. CIMA is looking to extend this provision as far as possible, and from March 2012 will be offering the Strategic level exams on PC globally where possible. We are also reviewing how we offer assessments (paper-based versus PC), and aim to extend the scope of the resit exams in future exam sessions.

I hope this information is useful.

Best wishes

Julia Harrison

CIMAsphere moderator

re-sits outside of the UK

I think, we must admit the fact that, most times I have witnessed, American accountancy bodies are bit advanced than the UK ones (I don't say the quality is at a higher level. But they are pioneering new developments). I think, if my knowledge is correct all the CFA exams are now assesed by objective test questions through computer based exams. But, CIMA (and ACCA also I guess) have just commenced to do the same. So we are in a transformation phase and unfortunately we have to bear these issues. probably I hope that in the future, all (or most majority of) the CIMA exams will be tested as Objective testing question (such 150, 2 mark questions) through CBAs worldwide. Now, as Julia had stated, they are considering and reviewing the options. Soon it will be available step-by-step. We have to wait. Unfortunately, this is the nature of the world :(

List of Countries

Julia Harrison wrote:

and from March 2012 will be offering the Strategic level exams on PC globally where possible. 

Can you share the list of countries/centres where exams on PC will be offered in March 2012? Is India in those countries?

If the list is not yet decided, when it willget finalized and how it will be communicated? When the offering is expected to cover all geographies?

An early decesion can help all. Thanks for your response.

Rakesh

Good to hear that

Dear Julia, thank you very much for providing the information. It is great to hear that CIMA has plans to offer computer based exams for strategic level from March 2012; they must have been working on the idea for quite some time. This is really commendable effort, I must say. Availability of Computer Based exam does not mean change of exam methodology from theoratical to completely objective type though. It is going to remain the samem, just a new mode i.e. Computer Based Exams will be offered alongside paper based exams. 

I would be really glad to hear that Pakistan is also amongst the countries where computer based exams will be offered from March 2012. 

On CIMA's Response

Hi Julia,

 Thank you for your response. It's good to hear that CIMA is continually reviewing its exam provision and is now planning for further developments to meet the expectations of its students. 

However, I would like to comment on what you mentioned, that "... and from March 2012 will be offering the Strategic level exams on PC globally where possible". In my opinion, once CIMA offers the re-sit exam option in the UK (plus a few other countries on a selective basis), you need to offer this option everywhere in the world to avoid unfair treatment.

Let us ignore the cost of travelling to the UK for a moment and think of the exam performance of two students, one located in the UK and another located in a country, in which re-sit exams are not in place. Reasonably, the latter will be of a competitive disadvantage against the UK student due to the long trip, tiredness, and time lost to revise the exam. It is just unfair. 

Offering the re-sit exam globally is essential for CIMA given that it is an international accounting body (as CIMA promotes itself).

Recently, I requested CIMA to sit the re-sit exam in the Republic of Cyprus, where I am permanently located. In my country, there are only few CIMA active students (to my knowledge, around 10). Moreover, CIMA courses are not offered by a local tuition provider, to date. However, there is a local school, namely the Cyprus Institute of Marketing, which is recognised as a Listed Centre for CIMA qualifications in Cyprus (http://www.cima.ac.cy/index.php?link=internationalrecognitions.php).

When I made the request to CIMA, I reccomended to sit the re-sit exam at mentioned Institute, which is anyway recognised as an associate centre of CIMA. The response was negative but no further explanation was given. To my opinion, wherever there is an accredited institution by CIMA in the world, the re-sit option should be offered, no matter the number of students in the country. Again, the cost is not a problem. An additional charge imposed would solve the problem. Believe me, I would pay for whatever needed to avoid a trip of 5 hours and 1000 EUR to just sit an exam. 

Again, thank you Julia for your response and I will be looking forward to the new positive developments of CIMA for the upcoming March exams.

 

Rgrds,

Neo

Australia

Hi,

 That is all very well to do re-sits of the Strategic level, but what about Operational and Managerial? I have from the UK to Australia and for me to re-sit in the UK would be impossible. I pay my membership like everyone else, extra fees to sit at special centres outside of the UK yet I am unable to take the resits offered in the UK.

I think if you are able to sit exams outside of the UK you should be offerred the opportunity of the re-sit too.

I think knowing I could re-sit would alleviate the pressure I feel when I sit the exam. 6 months is a long time to have to wait to take it again - this in turn increases the time taken to pass the qualification.

Thanks,

Becky

Re-sit exams outside UK

Hi

It's one year now since I highlighted this and it is good to see that students are reacting now.

Now, compare how much time it takes to do a graph on pc and on paper for the same exam say T4 November 2011 exams?  Do examiners take that into consideration more particularly with T4 which is a time constrained paper?

 

Exam Resits on PC

Hi friends,

Am from Bangalore, India and have written P2 (second time) this time and if I pass, only F2 left in Managerial Level.   While the idea of exam resits on PC is welcome, I would request CIMA at least to offer paper based exams 4 times a year instead of the present May & November.

I've not touched any CIMA text book after 23 November, 2011 (the day of P2 exam) and think I won't be able to do it till the results are out (12 January, I suppose).  By the time we pull up our socks and start preparing for the exam, it is almost end-March / early April, hardly 40/45 days of study.   This is what happens every time, at least in my case.  Hope it will be the case with many of the fellow students.

So would request CIMA to at least hold paper based exams 4 times a year as some professional institutions do in India like CFA.

Exams on PC

Julia Harrison wrote:

...and from March 2012 will be offering the Strategic level exams on PC globally where possible.

Is a list available for students to know which countires/centrs are offered PC based exams? November 2011 results are already out and it is high time the list is out. Hopefully CIMA covers all the geographies/centres, the ideal way a truely global institute like CIMA should do.

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Exam results were not released until today (12 January) Rakesh!

Here's the list of resit centres for March:

http://www.cimaglobal.com/Documents/Student%20docs/Exams%20and%20asssessment/Exam%20centers%20web%20form%20March%202012%20updated.pdf

Rebecca
CIMAsphere moderator
http://community.cimaglobal.com/blogs/rebecca-mccaffry

Resit Exams on PC

Rebecca McCaffry wrote:

Exam results were not released until today (12 January) Rakesh!

Sorry Rebecca, I meant to say November 2011 results are about to be released.

Thanks for sharing the list, however disappointed to know that not a single centre in India offers Strategic Level Exams on PC.

Do CIMA plans some India Centres for May or August 2012? I contacted the people managing exam centre in Pune India (where I have sat all my exams), and they say they have required PC's and infrastructure to conduct exams on PC, but no one from CIMA has asked them to provide PC based exams. So, i would say, an action item on CIMA.

And, where can I see these updated centre lists on CIMA site OR is it only you who can provide us the listing of the centres?What is the frequency of updates?

Thanks for your response, You are consistantly the best contact for distance learning students, like me.

Rakesh

One of the same

Hi Rebecca,

Thanks for your update. I cannot see, though, any innovation by CIMA. Do you really believe that offering the exams in the same exam centres selectively in particular countries and just adding the option of strategic papers re-sit is an innovation? I just copy paste below something written yesterday from CIMA's press release:

"Due to the continuing success of these additional exam sessions, CIMA is pleased to announce that the Strategic level papers will be available globally for the first time from March 2012"

I cannot see the above in the list of available exam centres provided in your previous post. When saying globally, I understand everywhere in the globe and not particularly in certain regions.

Anyway, I will repeat myself by saying that any college, university or institute that gives some of its students more chances for success than others means nothing but discrimination.

Thank you for reading my post and congratulation to all CIMA students who succeeded in November exams. Unfortunately, I didn't; I got 29 in E3 as I am not fast in hand writing and I cannot afford to visit a country where re-sit exams are offered!

Neo 

RE-SITS

DOES CIMA UNDERSTAND OUR POSITION? ARE WE REALLY KEY PLAYERS!!!!  I wonder?

Rebecca, since when has the pilot scheme for re-sit been running?  To-date we do not notice much improvement. 

 Two SIMPLE AND CLEAR options are available.

 1. Re-sit on pc

2. Re-sit on paper. THIS IS ACHIEVABLE IN THE SHORT-TERM. 

 We are just appealing to a  CIMA, and are convinced that CIMA as a PROFESSIONAL BODY,  which taught us to be  FAIR to stakeholders...us... will give students EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES and find a prompt solution.

 

Exams

Hi all

Thank you for your comments - I will make sure the relevant people see them.

The re-sit pilot scheme began in September 2010, for strategic, P1 and P2 papers in the UK. Since then, the number of exam centres and papers available has increased at each sitting. 

The latest list of exam centres is linked from the 'where' tab at  www.cimaglobal.com/exams

Best wishes

Rebecca
CIMAsphere moderator
http://community.cimaglobal.com/blogs/rebecca-mccaffry